Alvaro Cortez Jr- I think it was ok. I mean, the build-up was incredible, and it did kind of leave you wondering what was going to happen at the end. It felt a bit underwhelming but under the circumstances, I think it was good, maybe not the best Joker or Batman story ever, but it did entertain for what it was.
MC- I think it was all hype and no substance at the end. It was called Death of the Family, and yet NOBODY DIES?!?!? That's false advertising in my opinion, and they did it for one reason, sales. That's not cool. I had so much faith in Snyder giving us the story of a lifetime, and he dropped the ball. And you know what? I have a feeling it wasn't his fault.
AC- LOL yeah, in a way it was more a symbolic death. Well, of the trust of the Bat family, anyway, throughout the story there was a nice death toll, even THREE horses died! Yeah, I'm actually surprised DC let Snyder get away with all the stuff he was doing. His Batman run has almost been more of an ode to horror stories which is Snyder's strong point as a writer, but you KNOW editorial would never let an established character like Alfred die!
MC- I have a feeling he wanted to give us a true horror story and DC tied his hands terribly. His background is in horror and he was leading us in a path of destruction, and I could barely wait for the conclusion. But at the end, I think DC Editorial got scared and decided to pull the plug. I mean, in the end, it was all bullshit wans't it?
So, in your opinion, what was the good?
MC- Yeah I guess, but Joker didn't knew anything, Bruce didn't knew anything, nobody died, nobody in the Bat Family even got hurt! They ended up fighting amongst themselves and they beat it through the power of love? LOL!!!
The good was the leading to the Finale and the artwork of course! I think every issue was well executed up until the last one. I think The Joker evolved from a prankster to a true psychotic killer, and he's kinda in love with Batman; in his own twisted way.
AC- Yeah, Capullo has been killing it with the artwork, if there were any doubters left from when he was first announced as the artist on Batman they are very few and far between now. Also, The Joker is probably the villain that has changed the most in a sense to adapt to the current times
AC- Yeah, his Spawn stuff was amazing, but in a mainstream title like Batman he had to restrain himself a little bit and it actually reminds me a bit of those days of Quasar and X-Force, but amped up! Actually Batman #17 is the closest I've seen him do almost Spawn style work.
MC- Yep! Ok, how would you have ended it?
AC- One thing I will say, my favorite moment in Batman #17 was actually when Batman hugged Damian. I actually don't like Damian that much as a character, but I actually felt that was such a genuine moment and Capullo pulled it off so well and so subtle. If it were me, I probably would have let him slice off everyone's faces for real! I mean, Bruce is a millionaire, he could have them patched up again lol!
I would had Joker killed Alfred, but not only kill him, chop him up and feed him as the main course meal to the family. Leave the face intact and serve it to Batman and have The Joker really find out who the entire family is.
Another scenario would've been do the same thing but with Barbara Gordon as well as Alfred.
AC- Actually, you know what crossed my mind at one point? If Joker did know Bruce's identity, a real shocker would've been to have killed and chopped up Vicky Vale! She hasn't appeared since issue #1! Can you imagine that? AND have everybone's faces sliced off! Or in Barbara's case, it could've been her mother in her plate. Now THAT would have been a nice tip of the hat to the Tim Burton movie, Alfred serving Vicky Vale in the cave!
MC- NICE!!! DC Comics... are you reading this???
MC- And that's the whole thing! I wanted him to kill Barbara Gordon once and for all and have Stephanie Brown take on the mantle. Now THAT would've been a pleasant surprise! So, are you going to continue to buy this books on a monthly basis?
AC- To be honest, as long as Snyder and Capullo are on, yeah, I really am curious how Riddler is going to be used in the next big arc, and hey, Andy Kubert returns for issues 18 and 19 before the next arc; it's hard to let go!
MC- I hear ya! Andy Kubert's art on anything is impossible for me to pass.
AC- That reminds me, nice touch at Joker taking a jab at Jason for having killed him before, and Batman using a crowbar to Joker's face at one point.
MC- I saw that! Yep, nice throwback. Btw, although I admit I'm disappointed, I can't hold it against Snyder or Capullo because I KNOW they wanted to give us the best story possible, but when you play with someone else's toys, you have to play by their rules, hence not being able to go through with the story the way they wanted to. So I'll continue to get this book, at least until Capullo leaves.
MC- Final thoughts on DOTF? It was a roller-coaster ride with a disappointing ending. I guess my hopes we're extremely high and they couldn't be met or maybe the hype surrounding the event was more than it should've been, considering DC Editorial knew the outcome with months in advance. I wish Snyder would've been able to tell the story he wanted to tell but it is what is. what are your final thoughts on DOTF?
AC- It had an incredible buid-up, but the ending was a bit underwhelming, it's almost like a reverse on Court/Night of Owls, I liked the build-up in DOTF was incredible compared to the Owls, but I actually found the ending to Owls more satisfying than DOTF. But overall, I did enjoy it very much. Also, Batman punched a horse. I'm sorry, I just had to throw that out there.
MC- LOL! Fair enough.